Wednesday, September 23, 2009

有问题 -- 天天读,天天问

四个星期一共有28天,一共70多页的第一章每天读几页,不算太重。划出有疑问的地方,大家及可以及时解答。还是老套子,写在Comments里。

大家接着写自己。

作业II:问答 -- 有答案的问题将被移到“对号入座”的文件里,请scroll down. 被移动的问题可以接着回答,你只要把题号表明。比如说第9题很快就会被移到文件夹里,如果你要针对Poshlust说点什么,只要提到(9)就行了。


13. (chapter 7, p. 25) "We lived in a culture that denied any merit to literary works, considering them important only when they were handmaidens to something seemingly more urgent--namely ideology."

-- Can you decribe a period in your life that literary works are tools to advance some people's ideology? Why do you think the word "handmaiden" is used here? (没人抢答, 大雁来答)


15. (chapter 8 &10 , p. 28 & 35) What is the similarity the professor draws between "a stern ayatollah, a self-proclaiming philosopher-king" with H.H., even she once again emphasize "we were not Lolita, the Ayatollah was not Humbert? (雪)

16. 在七个姑娘之间有两对朋友, 你能说出她们的名字吗? (麻将三友)

17. (Chapter15, p.51-53) There is a conflict between Mahshid (雪), and Azin (紫罗兰). 从“Mhshid, who had been quiet until then, suddenly …到But Yassi would not give up 那一段. Let’s act it out. 雪和紫罗兰幸苦了, 花点儿时间把她们之间的争执记一下. Yassi, (竹林子), Mann (水竹), 你们俩也参与了.

26 comments:

大雁 said...

贴不进去你们提问题地方, 在这里说说。

完成了读书会要求读的章节。时隐时现,心不在焉的Cheshire Cat是个家喻户晓故事,在这里作为刻画人物,比喻Nassrin。 Nassrin出生个这样的家庭,她的母亲有机会被祖父送美国留学,她的母亲会说几国语言连做的饭都带洋味。但是,她的最小的叔叔, 一个虔诚的教徒abused her when she was barely eleven years old.
汇集在一起的学生们谈论着他们的世界,室内和平安静和室外恐怖骚乱形成鲜明的对比。
为什么这些学生会聚集在一起 ?他们因为爱文学才走到一起 ? 还是对现状的不平 ? 还是家庭的变革 ?

五嶽獨尊 said...

大雁的作业已经贴进去了。问题提得好!接着提。

大雁 said...

Poshlust是 Russian 字。在这理是不是有讽刺的意思?
它不仅仅是垃圾的意思,想表述的是假大空。真的也是假的,美的也是假美 ,颠倒的日月,颠倒的世界。人类的地方是不是都有这样的现象,不仅仅存在那里,这里也可以看到。大到。。小到。。。他们再说2年也说不完窗外虚伪的事情。这种xx,xx,虚假的现象遍地开花。

大雁 said...

是不是只让提问题,还不到回答和讨论问题的时候?

怎么只有我一个人在这里发言? 大家都没有来过?

可能还不到发言的时候。是不是等等再说下去? 领读的人呢?

五嶽獨尊 said...

大雁,你的问题提得很好。
就是希望大家每个星期提问题,回答问题。不然问题太多了,一次讨论不完。既然我们精读此书,就要读得仔细一些。
我们每星期读几个章节,有问题随时问。回答过的问题就移到shared document里面去。到昨天为止一共提了9个问题。只有一个问题有回答。希望大家争先恐后回答其他8个问题。中文英文即可。注意手中有中文版本的'姑娘”。我会问类似‘这句话中文怎么说的’的问题。

大雁 said...

对于cheshire Cat 理解:
cheshire Cat 是一种猫,用来形容人物性格,特点的比喻。这种猫在lewis Carroll的1865在英国出版的“Alice's Adventures in Wonderland", 这种猫时隐时现。 我们读的这本书中这样说 :
The Author says that "Nassrin" is like the Cheshire cat because of her (Nassrin's) tendency to appear and disappear at strange times.

Here's a quote from the novel:

How can I describe Nassrin? I once called her the Cheshire cat, appearing and disappearing at unexpected turns in my academic life. The truth is I can't describe her: she was her own definition. One can only say that Nassrin was Nassrin.
大家还有什么解释?为什么把这种猫引用到这里,还有什么更高的见解?

五嶽獨尊 said...

后面还会有对Nassrin更多的描写,再接着读下去我们会对她有更深入的了解。

第9小节Yassi(竹林子)大段描写出现。
第10小节再次提到蝴蝶。
第11小节Mitra,(姥姥)Manna(水竹)有所描写。

从第10小节开始,Lolita的讨论成为重点。希望大家积极参与讨论。

五嶽獨尊 said...

I hoped by every question (1-12) has been answered and we could discuss Lolita freely.

But it has been so quiet on all fronts :-(

Should I assign particular questions to particular person?

竹林子 said...

Yes, you did, and I took a note of it! I will read again (once I buy a copy of the book from borders, and will answer the two questions that have my name on it.) Thanks, and please don't be discouraged by our silence which could mean that we are brooding on the answers.

五嶽獨尊 said...

Exactly brooding on the answers, that it it!

We have all heard of opposing views on Lolita. Heated discussions is anticipated, in a timely manner :-)

Thanks to you all.

雪 said...

Question 5:Jane Eyre ?

Question 3:
Step into novels, be part of novel which xihu already made us. :)To read, discuss and respond to works of fiction. Prepare a private diary to record their response,related novels to their personal and social experiences.At same time, keep us free as "readers were born free and ought to remain free" as Nabokov claimed.

五嶽獨尊 said...

Thanks, 雪, for answering Qustions 3 and 5.

How about 大雁? Do you have something to say about question 3?

五嶽獨尊 said...

How about 紫罗兰, 水竹, 姥姥? Due day is close.

大雁 said...

3. (p.1) what is the professor's recommendation in reading fiction? (雪, 大雁)

Answer 3 :
She reminded : do not, under any circumstances, belittle a work of fiction by trying to trun it into a carbon copy of real life: waht we search for in fiction is not so much reality but the epiphany of truth.

五嶽獨尊 said...

姥姥good job.接著做第10題!

竹林子 said...

question about upsilon lambda (12th letter and the eleventh letter, of Greek alphabet. Not in the numeric order as one expects.
Professor: the impossible joy of a suspended leap
Yassi: it could be the name of a dance.
Manna: evoked the image of small silver fish leaping in and out of a moonlit lake
Azin: a sound of melody
Mashid: an image of three girls jumping rope and shouting Upsilamba with each leap
Sanz: a small African boy's secret magical name
Mitra: the paradox of a blissful sigh
Nassrin: magic code that opened the door to a secret cave filled with treasures

Collectively: a symbol, a sign, the tingle in the spine. The code word that opened the secret cave of remembrance.

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紫罗兰 said...

12. Chapter 15 (p. 50) "Many people feel that Rushdie portrayed the religion in a distorted and irreverent manner". 古歌一下"Rushdie". 他是谁?还记得李翊云? Do you know some trivia about Rushdie and Li?

萨尔曼•鲁西迪
1947年6月19日生于么孟买,十四岁移居英国读书。印度裔英国作家,因1988年出版的小说《撒旦诗篇》引起极大争议。
1981年,他的小说《午夜之子》获得了当年英国文坛最高奖项“布克奖”,却因作品触怒了印度前总理英迪拉.甘地而被印度当局禁止在国内发行。此后,其小说《羞耻》又因中伤巴基斯坦前总统齐亚.哈克以及著名的布托家族,而导致该书不仅在巴基斯坦遭禁,他本人也被指控犯有诽谤罪。
1988年,鲁西迪的小说《撒旦诗篇》出版,立即引起巨大争议。故事源于一个传说,撒旦在伊斯兰教圣典《古兰经》中加入自己的诗文。当天使透露有些经文有问题时,老先知穆罕默德就删除了那些有问题的经文。小说中,主人公吉百利和萨拉丁两人从一场空难事故中奇迹般幸存,并且获得了神圣和邪恶的力量。
  作品描写了正义与邪恶的斗争,穿插了对伊斯兰教和穆罕默德的不敬内容。伊斯兰教基要主义者领袖抨击它为渎神之作。
  1989年2月14日,伊朗原宗教及政治领袖阿亚图拉.鲁霍拉赫.霍梅尼宣布判处鲁西迪死刑,并号召教徒对其采取暗杀行动。为此伊朗政府宣布与英断交。后鲁西迪向穆斯林世界公开表示道歉。鲁什迪潜藏多年,过着有警方保护的“地下生活”。
  1998年,伊朗政府宣布不会支持对他的死刑判决后,鲁西迪重新获得自由。

李翊云(1973年-)是一位在美国用英文写作的华人作家。生于北京,1996年毕业于北京大学生物系。2000年获The University of Iowa免疫专业硕士,2005年获同校艺术创作硕士学位。主要作品有:《千年敬祈》,《漂泊者》。我们读过《千年敬祈》。

五嶽獨尊 said...

:-) I knew it.

We can always rely on 紫罗兰.

五嶽獨尊 said...

李翊云与鲁西迪的关系在于. 当年李翊云拿不到绿卡,鲁西迪为她向移民局写信申辩.
This is a little triva.

紫罗兰 said...

谢谢电影迷帮忙回答后面的问题。查找了那末多条信息,只有李翊云申请绿卡被拒没进去看内容,结果答案就在里头。
第七个问题只能等拿到书再回答了。

水竹 said...

1. 为什么这些学生会聚集在一起 ?他们因为爱文学才走到一起 ? 还是对现状的不平 ? 还是家庭的变革 ? (水竹, 阿兰)

我觉得这些原因都有.主要是前两个因素.她们虽然生活在黑暗恐怖和受歧视的年代,但她们是一群有着正义感,关心国家政治,渴望自由,童憬未来幸福的知识女性.
当时的德黑兰政治气分肅殺,宗教钳制日紧,可她们脫去黑色罩袍,开起秘密读书会.她们私密的想像空间缓缓展开,激荡.透过阅读,讨论被伊斯兰政权视为禁书的西方文学经典,她们的文学境界得到升华.她们看到现时的残酷和黑暗,就此她们寻求一片净地----秘密读书会.在秘密读书会里她们自由自在,轻松愉快,丰富的想像遊走在虚实之间,出入戏里戏外,映照出八位女性步同的身姿,性格和能力.
这就是为什么她们会聚集在一起.

五嶽獨尊 said...

紫罗兰,

第7个问题就让现在拿书的人回答吧. 你会有新问题的.

五嶽獨尊 said...

感谢大家.回答态度认真, 感受深刻.

小书不长问题多,
深思熟虑不为过,
三催四省实不该,
无奈麻将三剑客.

紫罗兰 said...

7. (p. 19) 当讲到《一千零一夜》的故事时,书中提到三种女性。都是哪三种?How Scheherazade break the
第一种女性:先不贞后丧命。
第二种女性:尚未有机会红杏出墙便残遭毒手。
第三种女性:善用自己的想象和思考,有敢冒生命危险的勇气。

紫罗兰 said...

14. (p. 25) "And like Lolita, we took every opportunity to flanut out our insubordination: by..."
中文把Insubordination翻成什么? (手中有中文书的回答)
中文把Insubordination翻成不服从。
和洛莉塔一样,我们把握每个机会去夸耀自己的不服从,例如...

大雁 said...

"We lived in a culture that denied any merit to literary works, considering them important only when they were handmaidens to something seemingly more urgent--namely ideology."

-- Can you decribe a period in your life that literary works are tools to advance some people's ideology? Why do you think the word "handmaiden" is used here? (没人抢答, 大雁来答)

大雁回答问题:

1。为什么在这里面书的回答 ?
"handmaiden" 是个附属品,文章里它就像文学作品一样作为附属品,不受重视。

2。 生活之中的例子很多,比如:
用文学作品, 用文学作品的人物达到意识形态目的。 还记得“批水浒--宋江投降派“达到暗指周恩来的目的。

回答的正确吗?